Ifilimu yakhe yakamuva W, igxile kumuntu oyimpikiswano kalowo owayengumongameli wase-United States, uGeorge W. Bush, efilimini ye-biopic evezwa ngabanekhono UJosh Brolin.
Ngesikhathi Engxoxweni eyenziwe nguPablo Scholz, wephephandaba i-Clarín, u-Stone ukhulume ngokukhethekile nabezindaba base-Argentina bakwa-W, mayelana nesikhathi sakhe ese-Argentina kanye nemihlangano nowayengumongameli wase-Argentina ngaleso sikhathi, mayelana nephrojekthi yakhe encishisiwe i-Evita futhi wanikeza imininingwane mayelana nedokhumentari ayenza. iyaqopha mayelana nomongameli waseVenezuela, u-Hugo Chavez, ekhombisa ukukhetha kwakhe ukuveza abantu bezombusazwe.
Iziqephu ezithakazelisa kakhulu zengxoxo zivela uma ucabanga ngesigameko sikaBush Jr. ezweni elifana ne-United States., kanye nomlando wodlame oluphethwe yileli zwe (kanye nezinhlobo zabantu ngokujwayelekile).
Una ingxenye yenhlolokhono, bese:
Ugcine nini ukuba se-Argentina?
Ngicabanga ukuthi kwakungenxa ka-Evita, ngemva kokuba uMenem eshilo emaphephandabeni ukuthi ngeke asebenzisane nathi empilweni yakhe, okwakungamanga ngoba wangitshela ngenye indlela ngemva kwamahora angu-24. Ngihlangane noMenem izikhathi ezintathu, nakuba engeyena umgomo wami ncamashi wokuba uMongameli… Anginazo izinkumbulo ezihlekisayo. Bengiyithanda i-Argentina, bengingaba yingxenye ye-Evita ezweni lakini, kodwa ngacabanga ukuthi ngaleyo ntengo, bekungeke kube ifilimu enhle. Mhlawumbe esikhathini esizayo esiseduze ngizoba nethuba lokuba kuvulandi weCasa Rosada ... ngahlangana noMnu Kirchner eVenezuela, futhi kamuva eColombia. Ngonyaka odlule, mayelana nokukhululwa kwabathunjwa be-FARC.
Ingabe uhlela ukuxoxisana nabakwaKirchners ngedokhumentari ku-Hugo Chávez oyithwebulayo?
Yebo, yebo, kodwa hhayi okwamanje.
Uma ukhuluma ngezinye izinhlobo zoMongameli, ngemva kweminyaka engu-8, futhi kakade ngombono, ucabangani ngempela ngoBush?
Ngicabanga ukuthi bekuyinkosi, ngendlela engeyinhle. Ibe nomthelela omkhulu emhlabeni, yashintsha indlela esenza ngayo ibhizinisi nomhlaba, yathatha yonke into yayibeka ezikhundleni ezeqisayo, hhayi nje kwezomnotho, kodwa ngokwenhlalo. Ngicabanga ukuthi le minyaka izokhunjulwa, uma sinohlobo oluthile lwenkumbulo ehlangene.
Ucabanga ukuthi imali nempi kuseyizisusa ezinhle ezweni lakini?
Ngingathanda izinga elincane lodlame. Udlame lusemvelweni yabantu, sonke sinabo, uma kungenjalo, buka ababulali ngokwemvelo. Udlame luyindlela yethu yemvelo yokulwa. I-United States inomlando omuhle kulokho. Amazinga odlame akhuphukile, iqiniso lokusebenzisa ulaka, igazi, ngisho nangaphakathi kwezwe ... Yilokho u-W akhuluma ngakho, yebo, okulandiswa ngendlela elula umphakathi waseMelika ongayiqonda. Ukuthi baqonde ukuthi izinyathelo zokuphepha kazwelonke ziya ngokuya ziba nkulu. Kusukela ngazalwa ngo-1946, liye lakhula kakhulu, futhi kungenza ngidabuke kakhulu kulezi zikhathi indlela ubudlova obusakazeke ngayo emhlabeni.
I-"W" yifilimu yokuqala eyenziwa ngumuntu mayelana noMongameli ngenkathi eseNdlu Emhlophe. Kwakunzima?
Kunzima, kodwa kunomvuzo. Kuleli zwe okungenani sinenkululeko yokwenza ifilimu enjengaleyo futhi siyethula, angicabangi ukuthi ngangingayenza eShayina ... Umbuzo ukuthi uthole imali, imali ivela kwenye indawo, akekho waseMelika. Isitudiyo ngabe sibeke imali, iqiniso lelo. Kunzima. Iningi lalivela eJalimane, eFrance, eHong Kong nase-Australia. Kufanele ngisho, ifilimu yayingeke yenziwe ngemali yaseMelika kuphela. Sinokusabalalisa okulinganiselwe kakhulu, kodwa sabamba amathuba futhi senza ifilimu ebesifuna ukuyenza. Kodwa yebo, siye sagxekwa zinhlangothi zonke.
Ushilo ukuthi u-"W" ungumlando ogcwele ubuqiniso bomlingo. Ngamuphi umqondo?
Yebo, yebo, kodwa hhayi ubuqiniso bomlingo ngomqondo kaBorges. Ifilimu ithatha amahora amabili kodwa, isibonelo, endaweni lapho ephupha khona mayelana nobuhlobo bakhe noyise, ubaba ufika e-White House, futhi, ngakhetha lokho okuvunyelwe ukutshela. Futhi amaphupho ayekulesi sakhiwo esinamaqiniso omlingo, indaba kanye nedrama. Ngicabanga ukuthi ngakusho kulowo mongo.
Inkolo iyisici esibaluleke kakhulu sobuntu bukaBush Jr. Ucabanga ukuthi kukhombisa uhlobo oluthile lokuhlengwa noma ukuguqulwa kuye?
Hhayi, ukuhlengwa? Cha, cha. Ake sibone, ifilimu isekelwe eqinisweni, waze waba neminyaka engama-40 wayeyisihluku ngezindlela eziningi, engenamali, wayeyisidakwa, engeyena usopolitiki ophumelelayo. Khona-ke wazalwa ngokusha, wenyukela ezingeni lomuntu siqu, wathola uNkulunkulu, futhi wazalwa ngokusha. Manje, njengomKristu kubonakala sengathi uqinisile, ukuthi akaphuzi, uthi akenzi lutho olubi, ukuthi uyabusa kuphela. Abantu abaningi abavumelani nalokho, kodwa angenzi izahlulelo, imuvi ayivumi. Ukuhlengwa noma cha? Yebo, ekhanda lakhe, yebo. Ungasho ukuthi enkolweni ukuzalwa kabusha akuhambi kahle ne-ego, i-ego yakho kufanele ihambe futhi ube ngumntwana kaKristu, kodwa ezenzweni zakhe njengoMongameli uthatha izinqumo ezinkulu. “Mina ngingumphathi,” esho, futhi leyo akuyona imibono yobuKristu. Kodwa ngiyagcizelela ukuthi angihluleli, ngibonisa kuphela.
Wazithwala kanjani izingxoxo phakathi kukababa uBush nendodana, naseWhite House? Ingabe konke kuwumcabango wakho, noma kunesisekelo?
Kunzima kakhulu ukuchaza. Ake sibone, idrama yomlando, sazenza izingxoxo ngaleyo ngcindezi, sazi ukuthi leyo mizwa ikhona phakathi kukababa nendodana. Imuvi inewebhusayithi echaza yonke into. Asizange siyisungule, iyisisekelo sendaba, ubuhlobo phakathi kukababa nendodana.
Kungani ucabanga ukuthi umphakathi wase-Argentina uzoba nentshisekelo yokubona okuthi "W"?
Angazi. Uyanquma.
¿Yini oyilindele ngo-Obama, ezinsukwini ngemuva kokugcotshwa kwakhe?
Angazi, angithandi yonke into, angifuni ukubeka okuningi kakhulu engikulindele. Kusekude phambili, izimpi eziningi, izinqumo eziningi ezinzima okufanele zenziwe.
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